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16 Comments to “The Dark Knight”

1. on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:35 amKarthik
   
   

   Batman Begins (Also known as Batman 5) is not the first movie in the series. It’s infact the Fifth movie. But don’t bother watching the other four. They suck really!!

2. on 29 Dec 2007 at 4:35 pmMarc
   
   

   The movie is most definitely not known as ‘Batman 5′.

3. on 29 Dec 2007 at 7:12 pmVinod Kumar
   
   

   @ Karthik
   Batman Begins is the first one in the Batman series for now. I am not talking about the old ones. There are sequels in every Batman movie they take. So shall I call King Kong (the latest one) as King Kong 3 or 4 or 5??? Lol

4. on 29 Dec 2007 at 10:14 pmKarthik
   
   

   What ? It’s the first one of the series now ? Dude what on earth are you talking about ? Just because there was a gap in production, doesn’t mean it’s the first in the series now. That’s outrageously ridiculous!!

   There’s a difference between sequels, prequels (as in star wars), adaptations, and remakes. King Kong was a remake. You can check Wikipedia for the same. It’s not part of the series as there is no series (till date atleast). You can call it ‘King Kong 4 or 5??? Lol’ if you please.

   @Marc,
   Batman 5 was indeed the working title of the movie. IMDB agrees with me. And it makes sense considering its the fifth movie in the series.

5. on 30 Dec 2007 at 12:58 amMarc
   
   

   Batman Begins is the first movie in a separate series. It is not related to the other Batman movies. It is in no way a sequel. If Batman Begins was the next movie in the old series it would be continuing that story, wouldn’t it? They decided to start afresh based on the Batman Year one comic series which you should read.

   Working titles are used by the industry to keep the actual project from the public or not give away too much information about it. It does not mean anything.

6. on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:02 amKarthik
   
   

   OMG, seriously you seem to be suffering some kind of delusional medical condition. Go see a doctor before it worsens. And its contagious. You seem to be rubbing off on other people too.

   Working titles are not the title of the movie itself, agreed. But it gives an indication as to whether the movie is part of the series. Like Casino Royale had the working title ‘Bond 21′. It’s the 21st Official Bond movie. Just as ‘Batman Begins’ is the fifth Official Batman Movie.

   As i said , just because there is a gap between two movies or their cast is different, doesn’t mean that a movie is not part of the series. Also the script need not follow from where it left. In case of Batman Begins (as the title itself implies) it explores the origin of Batman. Star Wars franchise didn’t take off from where the previous movies left as well. Does that mean it’s not a series ?

   I’ll explain to you, my dear delusioned and troubled child. Whenever a movie franchise becomes old, it necessitates reinventing it. You cannot continue from where you left after a gap of 10 years. So there has t be some change in the plot. If they started off with where they last stopped, that would be as childish and in fact stupid as your wailings. (Except they would lose money unlike in your case.) Superman worked the same way. It is related to the old movies. The production houses cannot disown a movie they produced earlier and they cannot contradict what they already showed in previous versions. If a character dies, he/she is discontinued or some paranormal/scientific miracle brings them back to life. As long as it is produced by the official production house, it’s considered part of the series.

   In case you need proof, let me quote from Wikipedia

   “The film reboots the Batman film series, telling the origin story of the character with inspirations from classic comic book storylines ”

   “Nolan felt the previous films were exercises in style rather than drama….”

   Ask anyone who knows their movies and they will tell you the same- that ‘Batman Begins’ is the 5th movie in the official series.

7. on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:59 pmMarc
   
   

   Star Wars is a series because the first three were released and the second three were prequels to that. So essentially they continued the story, in reverse.

   You really must learn to stop making personal attacks on a person when you have been clearly defeated in an argument and try to make some valid points.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_title

   If the story is not a sequel or a prequel (like in the case of Batman Begins) it is not part of the series. Just part of the franchise.

8. on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:15 pmKarthik
   
   

   The movie need not be a sequel or a prequel to be considered part of the series or the franchise. If you say that ‘Batman Begins’ is neither a Sequel nor a prequel, you have a point there.

   As for the wikipedia link, what was it supposed to prove ? I dont see it lending any weight to your argument. I have already said how a working title can br used to determine whether a movie is part of a series.

9. on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:35 pmVinod Kumar
   
   

   @ Karthik
   I think you always come up with something Champ. Series is where the story is continued as Marc said. For example, Friends, Dragonball series and lots more. I don’t know what you are trying to prove here but what you said is not at all correct. Batman begins is a new series of Batman. Thats for sure and no doubt in that. You can ask anyone about that. You are just trying to defend your point. lol

10. on 31 Dec 2007 at 12:33 pmMarc
    
    

    If it is a sequel or a prequel then it’s part of a series for movies. Otherwise it’s part of the franchise. These are the terms used in the industry. You are welcome to start your own movie industry and make all vaguely related movies part of the same ’series’. The Wikipedia link shows that the working title is not relevant to this discussion.

11. on 31 Dec 2007 at 4:09 pmKarthik
    
    

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series

12. on 31 Dec 2007 at 10:22 pmMarc
    
    

    Quote from Wikipedia article you linked to:

    Nomenclature

    * 2 in a series = Duology
    * 3 in a series = Trilogy
    * 4 in a series = Tetralogy
    * 5 in a series = Pentalogy
    * 6 in a series = Hexology
    * 7 in a series = Heptalogy
    * 8 in a series = Octology
    * 9 in a series = Nonology
    * 10 in a series = Decology

    The collection of Batman movies you refer to as a ’series’ is none of the above.

    Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_franchise

    Quote from my article:

    Media franchises tend to cross over from their original media to other forms. Literary franchises are often transported to film, such as Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, and other popular detectives, and Superman, Spider-Man, and other popular comic book superheroes

13. on 01 Jan 2008 at 3:42 pmKarthik
    
    

    Read the whole article instead of selectively highlighting stuff. It should convince you otherwise. If it doesn’t then not even God can help you. Sorry about it.

    “A film series is a collection of related films in succession. Their relationship is not fixed, but generally share a common diegetic world. Sometimes the work is conceived as a multiple-film work, for example the Three Colours series, but in most cases the success of the original film inspires further films to be made. Individual sequels are relatively common, but are not always successful enough to spawn further installments.”

14. on 01 Jan 2008 at 4:29 pmMarc
    
    

    Now you’re just being ridiculous. I have clearly shown that franchise is the word for it.

15. on 01 Jan 2008 at 6:25 pmMarc
    
    

    So if I make a movie about Batman and put it on YouTube then it comes the next movie in the series? You have to buy licensing from Warner Bros. Which is what franchise is.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=franchise

16. on 01 Jan 2008 at 8:36 pmKarthik
    
    

    If you (ever) make a movie about Batman and put it on AnyTube then it doesn’t come next in the series. You could try though and post the link. I am sure we would enjoy it.

    And I never said it’s not part of the franchise.

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